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Back in 2009, my anxiety was so out of control, I should have been on medication.  I never thought about it at the time, I just tried to deal with my crippling feelings and tried to stay alive, as my depression was just as much out of control as my anxiety was (which was due to the anxiety itself).  I didn't want to kill myself, but I thought I'd be better off dead then feel the way I did.

Back then I used to work for my uncle, who had dementia at the time (I knew, but nobody would listen to me).  I would go to his house Monday-Friday to help him run his postcard business.  My kids were in school, so I was home alone for most of the day trying to survive.  For some reason, my uncle never thought of picking me up himself, but with him having dementia, I didn't really want him to.  So my mother was stuck with the task of driving me to and from her apartment building (where my uncle lived too) every single day.

I lived a mere five minutes away, seven on a day with traffic.  Before her boyfriend, she would have found reasons for me to come over so she wouldn't be alone.  But now she had a boyfriend, and the time she picked me up was during his lunchtime (he was a bus driver), and she was very upset it cut into her "boyfriend time" (which was bullshit, because he lived with her).  She would slam her purse down when we'd get to her house, and bitch at me the whole ride over about it.  My anxiety was so fucking horrible, and her getting angry with me made my depression and my anxiety 100x worse (what else was new?).  My panic attacks at the time took the form of low blood sugar episodes most days (I had hypoglycemia, and my panic took the form all sorts of real issues I had, so I couldn't tell the difference between the two), and I'd get to her house and grab a piece of stale bread (I'd never take her fresh bread, I felt guilty enough) and put a little peanut butter on it and fold it over to take downstairs to my uncle's apartment.

I couldn't wait to get out of her house, because my uncle was nice to me, whereas those two would lay into the entire time.

"I don't know why her uncle can't just pick her up!! Why I have to do it every single damn day??!!" she'd yell in front of me.  It was all I could do to hold in my tears when I heard her say that.  Thing is, she never once asked my uncle to drive me, she just did it and bitched about having to do it.  I had no idea what narcissism was back then.  If I had, I may not have taken it so personally.

Then her boyfriend turned from the table to look at me one day and said "Don't you ever eat at home?  Every single day you have to come here and eat.  I am sure you have food at home."  

His words made me feel like I was a pig, that I was doing something wrong, when for years before, my mother welcomed me or my children or my husband eating at her house, no matter what it was.  In fact, she bought the peanut butter for us, because she didn't eat it much.

And he didn't pay my mother's rent.  Nor did he pay for her groceries.  YET, there he was, eating my mother's food she paid for, an elaborate lunch laid out for him, while I was just eating some peanut butter on bread.

My response was to be utterly ashamed of myself, and mumble some sort of excuse so I didn't look like a pig, rather than stand up for myself.  He knew he could bully me, so he did.  And my mother let him.

I took my half-eaten piece of bread and went down to my uncle's house to do my work.  And afterwards, I let my mother drive me back home.  And I never went back again.  I called the next day and said "Sorry, I can't work for him anymore, so don't worry about picking me up anymore," and hung up on her.  He never knew why, she told him I flaked out on him.  He told everyone else the same thing, never knowing it was my mother's fault I didn't go back.

My mother's boyfriend used to be a happy man.  His girlfriend of many years left him, he tried to commit suicide, and then he got help.  During that time, between her and my mother, he was the happiest man on earth.  He was my friend.  And I saw the man he was supposed to be in life, not the one that the evil bitches of the world turned him into.  Granted, how he chose to deal with his pain by taking it out on others (like me), was HIS choice.  But once my mother turned into the evil witch we all knew she was, he changed back to who he was when he was with my old friend (another evil narcissistic witch).  He loved my husband and treated me like shit.  As did my mother when she was with him.  And then she treated his children like shit, too.

She just wanted him all to herself, because narcissism = utter selfishness.

I also remember the best vacation I ever took as a kid was when I went alone for a week with my dad up to northern Michigan.  He was so damn happy without my mother being there.

Narcissists turn their spouses and SO's into unhappy assholes.  But, like I said, that's on them, that's their choice to be assholes.  When Cinderella went back from being a pretty princess to basically being a slave, she didn't take it out on anyone.

My mother liked it when her boyfriend (and eventually husband) picked on me.  She would shame me to my core in front of him.  I remember that day, the last day I worked for my uncle (when I seriously needed the money and was really good at my job), I remember wanting to die.  I remember feeling like a piece of shit who nobody wanted around and nobody could stand.  I remember feeling like a nasty pig.  I remember the look of disgust on my mother's face, and how she refused to look at me the ride over, after I got there, and the ride home.  That I was too disgusting of a person to even acknowledge.

I wanted to die that year.  I wanted to die so very badly.  I cried daily, praying to a god I didn't believe in to take my life and put everyone out of their misery so they never had to deal with me again.  That my kids would be better off with no mom rather than such a broken mom.  That my husband could remarry to someone who was worth something.  That my mother would never have to look at me in disgust again because I was hurting and spiraling out of control and she never once in my life gave two shits about it, other than to literally make jokes about my mental illness in front of others in order to shame me and get a good laugh out of it.

I didn't want to punish anyone.  I just wanted to save them.  To save them from the piece of shit I was and to save them from having to have me in their lives.

But nobody answered my prayers.  And I got better, despite my mother still treating me the same way.  And I eventually learned that I wasn't the one who was the broken piece of shit.  And eventually I learned the truth about what was going on and eventually after that, almost a year ago, I finally broke off the last of my bullshit relationships (which was my mother) and while I still have anxiety and depression (sometimes badly), I am nowhere near as bad as I was back then.

When you have a mental illness and you have narcissistic parents, it makes your condition 100x worse.  I've had mine since childhood and as a kid, there was the same dynamic: my parents were disgusted with me because of it.  I was supposed to be ashamed.  Because they sure were.  They'd put me into positions on purpose knowing it would make my anxiety worse.  It was never talked about it, just forced to be played out over and over again for their amusement.

I just can't believe it took me almost 40 years to go no contact with her.  I really can't.  We get so conditioned to the abuse that we can't see what's going on right in front of us.  If it were happening to anyone else, we'd be all over it, saying "Don't you see what they're doing to you??"  But alas, we can't see it when it's us.

Nobody likes abuse.  We just get so conditioned to hearing how awful we are, that we not only learn to live with it, but learn that we can't live without it.  We learn to thrive on it.  It backs up what we think about ourselves, and the chaos becomes addictive.  But when we finally get away and distance ourselves from it, our brains learn new ways to thrive.  We learn that we don't really like the chaos and the insults.  And we can even learn how to thrive on actual love instead.  But it's something we have to teach ourselves, since we were born into chaos and that's we ever knew from childhood.  Learning how to accept real love and how to love ourselves are probably the two most important things we need to know after going no contact.  Because without them, we are doomed to repeat the relationships with had with our parents.  We are putting ourselves in the position to be abused again.

I am lucky.  I have escaped that cycle.  But many haven't.  But they can.  It is possible.  If I can do it, anyone can.  You just have to learn how to recognize abusers before it gets too far, break off any unhealthy relationships from family, friends, or otherwise, and know you're worth only the best.  Never accept anyone into your life (or your children's lives) that are abusive or unhealthy.  Don't repeat the patterns of your parents.

My mother didn't choose better.  My father didn't choose better.  My mother's husband didn't choose better.  Both men died being married to a narcissist.  And my mother will die being one.

But you and I have a different path, don't we?  We get the choice to have better lives and to do better then they did.  Coming from narc parents, we know how not to treat others.  While I'd never say our childhoods were blessings, at least we have the ability to help others who grew up the same way.  At least we can all share our stories and help others to know they aren't alone.

Remembering that memory made me so very sad today.  But writing this blog post made me remember why I started this blog to begin with.  You aren't alone.  Ever.  We are all in this together.  No matter where we live or who we are.  We survived our childhood narcissistic abuse (and adulthood, as they don't stop abusing us just because we become adults).

Thank you for being here on my journey.  And know that you're not alone in yours ❤




So I was at the library today and found this book called "We Don't Talk Anymore: Healing After Parents and their Adult Children Become Estranged" by Cathy McCoy, PhD in the new book section.  I picked it up, knowing it was just another whiney "OMG my kids don't talk to me!" book. And sure enough, it was. 

I don't think these authors know a thing about narcissism. "Estrangement" is a silly word when referring to parents and children and is usually misused by the offending party. Your parents say "estranged", and you say "no contact". Now, not all estrangements are no contact. Some are actually what they say they are (and some are abandonment by a shitty parent). But more often than not, the word estrangement, when coming from a parent, usually is a deflecting of the real issue at hand (which is that their child has chosen to stay away from their abusive asses).

So the two words are similar, yet they come from very different issues: 


  • Estrangement:

    When someone stops talking to someone else.  This can be a form of self-preservation but usually it's out of anger that the offended party doesn't want to deal with.  I used to use this as a way to distance myself from my shitty friends as a teen or young adult, as I was never taught how to properly express my feelings when I was upset (sound familiar?).  An estrangement is usually either temporary and can be over a situation that can be forgiven.  Or it's something a child of a narcissist does when either a) they don't understand their parent is a narcissist or b) they are under the impression that "family is family, you only get one".  Estrangement is literally avoiding someone so you don't have to confront them.
  • No Contact:

    Going no contact with a friend, a sibling, another family member, a parent, an ex, etc. means to make a choice to cut that person out of your life for as long as you can (I don't say forever, because as much as we may try, either the offending party will try to regain contact or something may happen in the future that may force you to have contact again, esp. with a parent--not always though, some are lucky enough to stay NC forever).  This is a concrete choice to put up a boundary between you and that person that will keep you safe from them.  No contact means absolutely no contact (no messages, no texts, no calls, no third-party messages, etc.).  Breaking no contact is okay in certain situations (and there are different levels of no contact), but for the most part, you are choosing to cut all ties with someone.  This can be done out of anger, but only because you got to your last straw with their abusive behavior.  But you don't stay no contact out of anger (unlike estrangement).  Usually NC carries an array of different feelings, which includes a huge amount of guilt after the anger dissipates.  Estrangement is fueled by anger.

Sometimes no contact can start out as estrangement, usually when the offended party realizes just how damaging the offensive party truly is.  But there is a huge difference between the two, as you can see. Which is why books like this really do more damage than good, because while reading it, I realized that the author lacks the ability to understand that just because a parent is crying "My daughter doesn't talk to me!" it doesn't mean that person is truly hurting.  Narcissists cry for attention quite regularly (ask my ex-husband!).  And even if they were hurting, it wouldn't matter because a hurting abuser doesn't count in the grand scheme of things.  And then they read a book that gives them instructions on how to "reach out to the other party"??  Oh goodness.  That's a recipe for disaster for their child.  Narcs don't need yet another idea in how to screw up their kids' lives, they've already done a great enough job on their own.

But apparently this author is a therapist who really buys into the whole "I have no idea why my child won't talk to me!" thing.  Anyone who panders to narcissists, you have to ask yourself, is this person a narcissist too?  

Believe me, I am in no way accusing this author of having NPD.  What I am saying is that it's easy to make those assumptions, as an adult child of a narcissist, knowing how these narcs work.  They stick together like glue and will stick up for each other with the passion of a zealot (until one of them does something bad enough to piss the other one off, and then you have an all out narc war LOL).  Those that are zealot-like, we call them "flying monkeys".  And those flying monkeys are usually codependent covert narcissists (though some are extremely overt).  So whenever you see someone being blatantly blind to the plight of the narcissist, red flags go up all over the place and you take a step back in order to better assess the situation.

I will say that it also could just be plain ignorance on the part of the author, as well.  She may not realize what narcissism truly looks like and may be easily suckered into the path of a narc without even knowing it.  But you'd think that hearing enough of these stories, she'd realize that some are just playing the part.  Hell, a majority of them are.

It's books like these that are downplaying the idea of going no contact and how ultimately hard it is for us to make that life-changing decision.  It's books like these that tells the world not to take us (the adult children of narcissists) seriously, that our families are "healable" if we just "try hard enough". 

It's books like these that need to be thrown in the trash.

Because it's books like these that can ruin with our lives and gives our narcissistic abusers the green light on harassing us and breaking the boundaries that we've build for our lives.

Just opening that book and reading the beginning gave me a stomachache.  I could see the narcissism dripping in the examples she gave of parents being upset over being estranged from their adult children.  "I have no idea why they won't talk to me!" is a common complaint from these parents.  Which is exactly what my mother tells people when I am brought up.  It's sick.  And a total lie.  Because they all know exactly why.  Or maybe they don't?  Maybe they are so deluded in their own bullshit that they really don't know what they did?  That they can't put two and two together and see how their own behavior has put them into their own predicament?

Whatever it is, I can't stand there are people out there, professionals, who take their sides.  But then again, look at our own families.  Look at all of the people who take our mother's side, even when clearly they have done some pretty evil things.


I guess we can't expect every doctor or mental health professional to not be like all the codependent flying monkeys we know.

*sigh*

Narcissism.  It's everywhere you want to be.  Even at the library.